Microsoft doesn't care about gamers

[BreakmanX]

Having a processor that's too hot for the cooling system is kinda hard to mistakenly correct.

Yes, it was the gpu heatsink that had the problem. Eventually the heat produced caused the motherboard to slowly crack, once it cracks enough... red ring. I rarely say something I haven't actually researched. So I wouldn't say how they were all defective if I hadn't actually read that it was something like this.

I guess the apathy towards this issue is a sign for me that I'm the only one that still cares about this issue. I would love to be able to hear the music from Lost Odyssey without the WHIIIRRRREWRMMMRMRMRMRMRMRMRMRMRVRRR in the background.

For better or worse, I'm a fighter. It is not in my personality to say, "this is good enough." Or that they've gotten a "good enough," fix. I'll keep saying what I feel is right every time that the issue comes up, without fail. I feel like my fellow gamers have been wronged, and I will not just ignore the issue when it comes up. I don't feel like I've ever just out of the blue mentioned the 360 issues, but only add them to an already brought up discussion. Unless there is some new issue like the DRM, or a new system red ringing at a GDC. I know that some people can stand the noise, or the issues, and that it does not bother them. But, it bothers me, and I can't just not mention a problem that I think is important because the majority of people are ok with it. It would be dishonest for me to do otherwise. The day that I stop feeling passionate about this stuff and not caring will be the last time I say, "Hey what's up," and I don't feel like that day is anytime soon.

[Jbrown]

[Mericks]

Having a processor that's too hot for the cooling system is kinda hard to mistakenly correct.

But it's possible damn you!

Anything possible if you believe! Don't you watch old Disney movies?!

[WiizerFanboy]

I care about it, Break! As much as I bash the 360, I'll have to say that the day Sony charges users to game online is the day I will switch over. Especially now that the Falcon chips are in most 360's. Sorry but free online gaming and perfect reliability is a big selling point to me.

[mecha]

I have to admit, my noisy Xbox360 has taken me out of the Lost Odyssey experience. Most of the dream sequences revolve around silence and sadness, and that's sometimes ruined by the loud noise of a 360. Many of Uematsu lower piano and synth themes are also drowned out by my Xbox 360.

I've started to wear a pair of headphones when playing LO.

[Richie]

What apathy, Break? I care about shitty 360's; I've replaced two myself.

[BreakmanX]

What apathy, Break? I care about shitty 360's; I've replaced two myself.

I just mean that you don't want anyone to mention it. Every time I do I'm beating a dead horse. To me silence = apathy.

[Richie]

I guess that it's not that I don't want anyone to mention it, but it does feel like reliability is the ONLY thing that gets mentioned. The '100% are defective' thing gets brought up a lot, when it really isn't true anymore.

[BreakmanX]

I'll agree that it isn't true anymore, but that it was definitely true at one time. The new systems are only 16% defective so that's a pretty big improvement. Not near the other consoles, but its nice to see such a huge improvement. I'll amend my statement from now on that the original 360 up until July 2007 (when they finally replaced the GPU heatsink) were 100% defective.

When I said apathetic, by the way, I didn't mean it as a slam. Apathy just means a lack of interest, concern and enthusiasm for a subject and I think that its pretty safe to say that my level of "enthusiasm" for this topic is quite a bit above average. To your credit, you're able to completely bypass hardware and look solely at the games. I've always loved consoles and consider the hardware part of the work of art the same way that a frame can benefit an art piece. When I play Lost Odyssey on the 360 I feel like I'm enjoying the Mona Lisa wrapped up in old McDonald's hamburger wrappers. Every time there is a quiet and dramatic moment, especially, the hardware is so loud and detracts from the experience. I also recognize that I'm abnormally anal about this sort of thing.

I have tried to say how amazing Lost Odyssey is and that I enjoy it DESPITE the 360 hardware, so I do feel like I'm being fair. I don't really like Sony or Microsoft better than the other as Sony killed SEGA and Microsoft has made the only two consoles I've ever had fail. I still have a bit of a Nintendo bias that I recognize, though.

[Mericks]

To me silence = apathy.

[Richie]

There was a time hardware was significant to me, when I was building PC's. Nowadays, it's mostly just a means to an end. It goes like this:

1.) I want to play Lost Odyssey.
2.) Lost Odyssey is only available on Xbox 360.

- Thus, I must buy a 360 to play Lost Odyssey

3.) I buy a 360.

The 360 could have been styled like a hot pink tampon for all I care; I'm still buying one. I've never bought a console based solely on brand name or hardware merit; there's always an end goal beyond the console itself. To me, you don't buy consoles - or anything - based on that 'gotta have it' factor, so you can be one of the cool kids, and have it look good in your living room. If you do, you should replace your console with a big fucking mirror, because you're more concerned with vanity than gaming.

It's completely true that the 360 is louder than any other console I've used before, even the Phantom, which is even more PC-like than the 360. But I rarely notice, and when I do, it's never bad enough to upset my experience. Break, you're an audiophile - it's understandable that noise like that would upset you. But it doesn't really bother me.

[BreakmanX]

There was a time hardware was significant to me, when I was building PC's. Nowadays, it's mostly just a means to an end. It goes like this:

1.) I want to play Lost Odyssey.
2.) Lost Odyssey is only available on Xbox 360.

- Thus, I must buy a 360 to play Lost Odyssey

3.) I buy a 360.

The 360 could have been styled like a hot pink tampon for all I care; I'm still buying one. I've never bought a console based solely on brand name or hardware merit; there's always an end goal beyond the console itself. To me, you don't buy consoles - or anything - based on that 'gotta have it' factor, so you can be one of the cool kids, and have it look good in your living room. If you do, you should replace your console with a big fucking mirror, because you're more concerned with vanity than gaming.

It's completely true that the 360 is louder than any other console I've used before, even the Phantom, which is even more PC-like than the 360. But I rarely notice, and when I do, it's never bad enough to upset my experience. Break, you're an audiophile - it's understandable that noise like that would upset you. But it doesn't really bother me.

Agreed.

[Vamp [Bot]]

Now if only Microsoft had made a case large enough to hold Lost Odyssey's 4 DVDs (I just bought it BTW, along with a wireless PS2 controller for FF12 goodness).

[BreakmanX]

Yeah, have you seen the JPN and European cases? We got pooped on.

[Mericks]

To me, you don't buy consoles - or anything - based on that 'gotta have it' factor, so you can be one of the cool kids, and have it look good in your living room. If you do, you should replace your console with a big fucking mirror, because you're more concerned with vanity than gaming.

...Fuck it, I gotta do it for this quote too.