On the topic of FF7

[Typheus]

I soooooooo want to watch Red XIII tear into Hojo in high def. Fucking evil scientist piece of shit >:(

[Mericks]

Sorry, I agree with Vamp. The graphics are just dated, and it's tough to go back since I have that next gen glitter in my eye

This is a severe case of graphics whore-omania. Though not as extreme as another case of this same ailment that may be found in Vamp. Vamp's ailment was also mysteriously caused by an extra quarter of a chromosome that also leads him to believe that he is better than everyone else as an extra side effect.

Information on the cause of Wiizer's contraction of this illness is still not known. He refused to give us a semen sample for testing unless he was provided with a picture of Richie.

Mysteriously, Wiizer DID manage to give us a semen sample. It's rather odd seeing as the DNA does not match Wiizer's. It does, however, match blood samples collected form Richie's urine earlier last month.

Also, tests further concluded that Richie tested positive for AIDS. However, we found the cure was, ironically, Richie's blood, so we're hoping that problem works itself out.

...

I have WAY too much time on my hands.

[mecha]

I think people who have played Final Fantasy VII when it first came out, such as myself, have a greater appreciation for it's graphics.

I never quite understood why people want remakes so bad. With all the newer RPGs coming that are simply amazing (Lost Odyssey comes to mind), I really don't want to go back and play games I've experienced 100 times. Do you really want development teams to stop working on new projects just so they can work on a game that was already released?

Give me FF13 and White Knight Story please.

[Vamp [Bot]]

Ok, I don't have much time on my hands but I'll try to address this:

1) FF7's graphics piss me off because the character models look absolutely terrible, especially out of battle where nothing has elbows. Or howabout how poorly some of the "camera angles" are worked out along with the low resolution of the PS1 (320x240), such that you have to maneuver Cloud and Co., two pixels, across a bridge, three pixels. Furthermore, besides just the graphics, the load times in the game are unbearable, the FMVs are jarring and lack detail, and the entire game is devoid of voice acting (something I'm particularly fond of).

2) I'm not a nostalgic kind of person. I don't look back at my days of playing Pokemon Blue on my GameBoy Pocket and say "Gee I sure do wish I could go back and play that grayscale game with 8-bit midi music and so many bugs again"; if I really wanted to experience the same Pokemon story I'd spring for the somewhat improved GBA Leaf Green, which offers are far more user friendly experience. As long as they get the feel of the game correct with the original (read: don't pull a Twin Snakes), remakes are a very welcome thing for me, especially when I haven't played the originals. For instance, the Resident Evil remake is simply one of the best games I've ever played, and a lot of it had to do with the wonderful presentation of the game. I had never played the original RE before it, and now couldn't possibly play that piece of trash with it's live action FMVs, C-movie voice acting, and terrible graphics. Tomb Raider is another game I'd far rather play the remake of; the original is just entirely dated in both graphics and in gameplay.

3) Presentation counts. A LOT. I find it far more enjoyable to play a game when I'm seeing expressive facial animations, a visual flare that compels me to keep playing, plenty of detail to add character to the game's locations and... well characters, and VOICE ACTING.

4) Really, even for a PS1 game, FF7 doesn't look very good. FF8 and 9 are much more bearable in comparison, and I'm definitely willing to give them a shot in their present state whenever I find the time to play them.

I'll play Crisis Core when it comes out later this month, but honestly the original is just such a mess in my eyes that I'd rather wait even years for the inevitable remake.

[Mericks]

2) I'm not a nostalgic kind of person.

WOW...You much really live a horrible

I couldn't fuckin' live without nostalgia. Life without nostalgia would be so horrible...

I mean nostalgia's so wonderful. It's the kind of thing that can make you forget you're a lonely virgin. Until EA buys your virginity that is. As well as your anal virginity.

[BreakmanX]

This is really an argument of preferences. I know a lot of people that think just like Vamp and Wiizer about graphics while I also know a lot that don't as well. While graphics can be nice, gameplay and other elements can certainly draw me in more. In related news, oranges are better than apples.

[Mericks]

In related news, oranges are better than apples.

I cream is better than yogurt.

[JerRyu]

I think people who have played Final Fantasy VII when it first came out, such as myself, have a greater appreciation for it's graphics.

I never quite understood why people want remakes so bad. With all the newer RPGs coming that are simply amazing (Lost Odyssey comes to mind), I really don't want to go back and play games I've experienced 100 times. Do you really want development teams to stop working on new projects just so they can work on a game that was already released?

Give me FF13 and White Knight Story please.

Yep pretty much agree with this!

Personally, I feel, that this is game is Done.
Can it be remade with clean graphics and still be awesome?.. Sure, Absolutely, hell I would probably buy it too!
But I really think time, effort & money could go into new stories and new characters. Having FF3, FF7, Chrono Trigger I would like to add more games to this list. Basically, It's a matter of looking ahead and creating new experiences
Also, shoudln't games be more than just about graphics (call me old skool) I'm sure there's a thread somewhere that talks about what makes a game meaningful.

This is only my opinion in a sea of passionate gamers.

[Richie]

4) Really, even for a PS1 game, FF7 doesn't look very good. FF8 and 9 are much more bearable in comparison, and I'm definitely willing to give them a shot in their present state whenever I find the time to play them.

You mean a sequel is graphically better than its predecessor? NO WAI!

1) FF7's graphics piss me off because the character models look absolutely terrible, especially out of battle where nothing has elbows. Or howabout how poorly some of the "camera angles" are worked out along with the low resolution of the PS1 (320x240), such that you have to maneuver Cloud and Co., two pixels, across a bridge, three pixels. Furthermore, besides just the graphics, the load times in the game are unbearable, the FMVs are jarring and lack detail, and the entire game is devoid of voice acting (something I'm particularly fond of).

I'm not sure what generation you 'grew up' with in gaming, but it must be pretty recent. Anyone that saw Final Fantasy VII graphics when it first came out can appriciate that they we're fucking amazing for the time. Does it pale in comparison to more recent titles? Obviously. But context counts.

FFVII has some flaws, but none of them are graphics.

2) I'm not a nostalgic kind of person. I don't look back at my days of playing Pokemon Blue on my GameBoy Pocket and say "Gee I sure do wish I could go back and play that grayscale game with 8-bit midi music and so many bugs again"; if I really wanted to experience the same Pokemon story I'd spring for the somewhat improved GBA Leaf Green, which offers are far more user friendly experience. As long as they get the feel of the game correct with the original (read: don't pull a Twin Snakes), remakes are a very welcome thing for me, especially when I haven't played the originals. For instance, the Resident Evil remake is simply one of the best games I've ever played, and a lot of it had to do with the wonderful presentation of the game. I had never played the original RE before it, and now couldn't possibly play that piece of trash with it's live action FMVs, C-movie voice acting, and terrible graphics. Tomb Raider is another game I'd far rather play the remake of; the original is just entirely dated in both graphics and in gameplay.

I loved those live action FMV's, always good for a laugh. They were shitty then, and they're shitty now.

3) Presentation counts. A LOT. I find it far more enjoyable to play a game when I'm seeing expressive facial animations, a visual flare that compels me to keep playing, plenty of detail to add character to the game's locations and... well characters, and VOICE ACTING.

I'll play Crisis Core when it comes out later this month, but honestly the original is just such a mess in my eyes that I'd rather wait even years for the inevitable remake.

I don't know what to say about your lack of nostalgia, though. For me, there are older games that gave me a completely amazing experience, games that entertained me the way no others have since. Remakes can be good, but it's still a remake of the original.

[Mericks]

Hm...At the time of this post, there are 666 topics in "Console Gaming"

[mecha]

Yep pretty much agree with this!

Personally, I feel, that this is game is Done.
Can it be remade with clean graphics and still be awesome?.. Sure, Absolutely, hell I would probably buy it too!
But I really think time, effort & money could go into new stories and new characters. Having FF3, FF7, Chrono Trigger I would like to add more games to this list. Basically, It's a matter of looking ahead and creating new experiences
Also, shoudln't games be more than just about graphics (call me old skool) I'm sure there's a thread somewhere that talks about what makes a game meaningful.

This is only my opinion in a sea of passionate gamers.

Whoa wait, someone actually agrees with me on these forums? JerRyu...I ...I love you.

[Mericks]

Whoa wait, someone actually agrees with me on these forums? JerRyu...I ...I love you.

Hey...I agree with you sometimes.

I do agree with you on this issue somewhat actually. I personally went through my early childhood with the N64. My teen years are well...let's see...I went into my teen years with a Gamecube.

I still don't distinguish games based on their graphics honestly. I don't get the nostalgic feeling you elder gamers get when playing an NES or SNES though...I do get it when I play a Genesis though, so it all balances out

[Vamp [Bot]]

I grew up with a Gameboy Pocket and later Color, a NES on life support, and a Genesis with no games that had a save feature. I don't really care how good a game looked or played "at the time"; if it doesn't stand the test of time I'm not going to play it today. That would be why last week I threw out my old GBP and GBC. Richie, when you look at FF7 you're not seeing the game for what it is, you're seeing the memories you had playing it ages ago. I don't see that because I didn't play it ages ago; all I'm concerned about is how the experience will be for me -today-. I gave it a shot with a cute friend of mine over the summer, and she was pretty pissed at me when I said I wanted to stop playing because it looked like ass and the battles took too long to load, but it's the truth.

[Richie]

No, I'm pretty sure there are plenty of classics that are still fun today. But hey, if graphics and load times mean that much to you, then play what makes you happy. *shrugs*

[BreakmanX]

I have to say I agree almost all the way with Richie on this one. Both on his points FOR FFVII and that you just have to play what you like. Graphics don't mean a whole lot to me. I do appreciate good graphics, but a game doesn't scare me away if the graphics aren't amazing. Everyone has different reasons for gaming, and if graphics is what rocks them then so be it.

On a related point, Mecha didn't you play and LOVE the remake of Final Fantasy Tactics for PSP? I seem to remember many chat conversations about this.

Remakes are cool because it allows a new generation of gamers to play a great game that otherwise would not have. Also, there are more than just Vamp that can only play the best in graphics, and this gives them an opportunity to continue to enjoy the game. I'm one of those weird people that likes to experience things in different ways. I listen to songs to find a different meaning, I watch movies to discover new symbolism, and I do the same thing with games. Especially with a game like Final Fantasy VII that is so rich in at least religious symbolism that it would take several play-throughs to grasp even some of it. As someone who wrote his final college paper on FFVII and religious symbolism, I can attest to that. Remakes CAN be a new experience, it just depends on how they go about it.