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Haha yeah. I was good at that shit. I played soo much.

Vamp wrote:Current Gen -> 360, PS3, high-end PC.
Last Gen -> DC, PS2 (MGS2), GCN, Xbox (MGS2), PSP, Wii

Yeah, I define generations by gaps of power (processor complexity, RAM quantity, etc... anything that gives developers more to work with in time/memory tradoff), and I might as well don my asbestos suit for that alone...

No matter what you say, Wii is very definitely NOT last-gen. It's current-gen, Vamp. Even if you argue about the power gap (which would still put it into this generation as it's still notably more powerful than last-gen systems). Generations are defined by time. Not power. The closest you can get to the word "generation" being related to power is having a generator generate electrical power.

By definition, if Wii is last gen, so is the PS3, and so is the 360...very definitely the 360 would be last generation.

Your definitions of your own little fantasy world are perfectly fine in your FANTASY world, Vamp. when you enter the real world, there's real world definitions. You can't just magically change that. Oh wait, I forgot. This is Vamp. This world has to obey every little thing Vamp says.

EDIT: Oh, and Discordia... Keep up the good work with the Chewbacca Defense. You have proven your point. It is appropriate WHENEVER you wanna fuckin' use it. It's the fuckin' Chewbacca Defense, dammit!

Mericks wrote:

Vamp wrote:Current Gen -> 360, PS3, high-end PC.
Last Gen -> DC, PS2 (MGS2), GCN, Xbox (MGS2), PSP, Wii

Yeah, I define generations by gaps of power (processor complexity, RAM quantity, etc... anything that gives developers more to work with in time/memory tradoff), and I might as well don my asbestos suit for that alone...

No matter what you say, Wii is very definitely NOT last-gen. It's current-gen, Vamp. Even if you argue about the power gap (which would still put it into this generation as it's still notably more powerful than last-gen systems). Generations are defined by time. Not power. The closest you can get to the word "generation" being related to power is having a generator generate electrical power.

By definition, if Wii is last gen, so is the PS3, and so is the 360...very definitely the 360 would be last generation.

Your definitions of your own little fantasy world are perfectly fine in your FANTASY world, Vamp. when you enter the real world, there's real world definitions. You can't just magically change that. Oh wait, I forgot. This is Vamp. This world has to obey every little thing Vamp says.

Well said,

Wow, I did not know that the Nintendo DS is three generations old, laptops are last generation, and your mind is last generation. Thank you vamp for the insight.

I will give you credit though Vamp, I have been to a forum in which everyone agreed on everything (pretty much) and it was quite boring. It has been at least half a year since I last visited said forum.


Also Discordia, that Chewbacca thing made me literally laugh out loud. I was expecting an actual defense when suddenly you just started talking about Chewbacca. That was just made of win. xD

Yeah, that had to be the funniest godamn comparison ever.

As for the Wii, it's not as weak as last gen, and it's more powerful than a regular Xbox. Can't remember where I heard that, but I heard it somewhere.

And just because someone takes a different approach to something doesn't mean it's not up to the qualities of those that stick with the mainstream.

It's as if bringing something new to the table instead of following the trend that everyone else follows is frowned upon, yet you have everyone and their grandmother wanting innovation instead of the same old crap over and over again. That just doesn't make any godamn sense to me.

vamp, make another thread called "SNES is overrated". You can post to yourself....

I loved a lot of games that came out for this system, and a lot of them have more content than these candy coated next gen games(Kane and Lynch anyone?)

Kane and Lynch. I refuse to play it after the shit that happened with that reviewer. They can take a cane and lynch their own asses.

Mericks: Wii is far closer in processing power and ram availability to PS2/Xbox/GCN systems than it is to PS3 or 360.

And as a programmer, when I look at any computing system the most important thing is not when it is released, it is what I am able to do with the hardware. Case in point: cell phones. Even higher-end cell phones released today are generally no more powerful than computers released 10 years ago. If I had to develop an application for a cell phone (and I have), I'd be very much aware of every technical limitation the system imposes (read: a very limited environment). It doesn't matter that high-end PCs released in the same year can run Crysis, or that I don't really -need- do worry about wasting small amounts (kilobytes) of RAM on my laptop. I would place my cell phone in the same hardware bracket as I do any computer with 12mb of RAM. For consoles, I define these hardware brackets as "generations".

As another example: PSP. It was released 5 years after the PS2 in the US, and yet it is certainly upper bounded in ability to run specifically complex applications in real time (games) by the PS2. The two systems are generally the same in terms of limitations, and thus a game can be ported between the two rather easily regardless of what system it was originally developed on. Can you do this between Wii/360? Generally no, and but you pretty well could for Wii/PS2 (controls changed, naturally, but that's far easier than gimping every asset in a next-gen game).


Jayt: And I would rather play Mass Effect than Power Rangers Zeo: Battle Racers. I would also rather play Mass Effect than any SNES game.

Fuck that shit, air is over-rated. Stop breathing. Now.

Also the ground, I'd much prefer to fly. By flapping my arms.

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Moreover, I've found defining generations by timespans to be highly imprecise.

Consider the case of the Dreamcast: it was relesed in 1999, and it's primary competition at the time was the PS1 and N64. It was killed before the PS2 could get into full swing, and before the GCN or Xbox were even released. How would you define this console's generation if not by considering the system's limitations.

Case the second: consoles that stick around for longer than expected. The PS2 is a very good and recent example of this. Despite being released in 2000, there are still some really solid games coming out for it 1.5 years after it's successor has been released. I would even go so far as to say that it competes directly with the Wii for the low end console market and with 360/PS3/PC for the money of gamers. How would one go about defining its "generation" if not doing it based on it's hardware limitations?

What happens if the DS continues to be popular for well over a decade? It certainly happened with the original GameBoy. Let's assume Sony releases 2 new PSPs before Nintendo releases any successor to the DS; how then do we define any of these generations if not by power limitations?

At least with my method there is some empirical way to assess a console's "generation", rather than just grouping them arbitrarily. My solution also allows one to quickly assess the likelyhood of a game ever being ported to another system; one can be ported to a generationally equivalent system or higher (higher being less likely, but still very possible), but very rarely down (only if the game doesn't use a system to a certain limit or the game is gimped). From my system I know Bioshock will likely never be released on the Wii, or the PS2 for that matter. I can also ascertain that a PSP game is far more likely to be ported to PS2 and Wii, but the likelyhood of it being bumped up to the 360 is lower.

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huh?

I'mma sum this up quickly, since you didn't get the point of my last short post.

"At the point you called the SNES "overrated," your opinion ceased to hold credibility and is simply a devil's advocate for the sake of being a devil's advocate."

I'm done with the debate, and now readily accept posts that are focused on something other than Power f@#&#ing Rangers Zeo.

The point I was trying to make is there are shit games on every system. Just because Kayne and Lynch is shit doesn't mean it being pretty has anything to do with it.

Pilot Wings, now that game is awesome.

Vamp wrote:The point I was trying to make is there are shit games on every system. Just because Kayne and Lynch is shit doesn't mean it being pretty has anything to do with it.

Your post shows a severe lack of research on the topic.

There is no "y" in Kane.

Just because something lasts longer than expected doesn't mean it's difficult to categorize. The Dreamcast, despite not lasting as long as expected, was a last-gen system with the PS2, GCN, and Xbox, as is the PS2.

Case in point: the time when it is born and the age the system is determines generation. Just like a person. Just because you're older doesn't make it hard to find your generation, just like dying young doesn't make it difficult to point out your generation.

EDIT: Also, when recruiting for jobs, age isn't as important as skill, thus employers don't look for members of generations, rather they look for those that are able to perform the job, and they ultimately do have to give up on people when they reach a certain age (legally), however, in this scenario, the definition of "generation" still remains the same as I have stated while under the circumstances Vamp is trying to use to disprove it.