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Richie wrote:Anyone who knows the history of Adobe is optimized for Apple. Which is good for Apple users, of course, but dosent count for much to me.

Thats why the entire graphic-design industry uses macs. And the G-D industry has been around a lot longer than the gaming industry.

Richie wrote:OK, great, it does sequence matching. Whoopdefuckingdo. I have never, I do not currently, and I do not plan on doing any gene sequence matching on my home computer. That said, this benchmark is pretty pointless to me, and just about every other gamer I know.

Well, I don't doubt that very few mac users will ever use DNA software. However, this benchmark isn't designed to make people go out an buy a G5 to run DNA sequencing, its designed to show that the G5 does real work. Apple is showing the scientific professionals, who rely on high-performance computing to do their jobs, that the G5 is a better machine. The variety of benchmarks on the apple site (as well as the demonstartions on the WWDC video I linked to) show that the G5 excells in all areas of computing. From raw data crunching (shown in the SPEC tests), to scientific computation (shown in the BLAST DNA benchmark), to creative/design work (shown by the photoshop tests), to professional 3D work (shown on the video), to mathematical calculations (mathmatica on the video), to Audio sampling, sequencing, and creation (shown on the video), and even in gaming performance. (as shown on the quake 3 test that evilmagicpirate so quickly tried to discount.) In short, the G5 will perform better in both everyday tasks and in professional applications where computation really actually matters.

Richie wrote:Might cram everything into the average PC case? OK, lets keep count, shall we?

PCI slots:
Average PC - 5
Mac - 3 (has anyone besides me never heard of PCI-X?)

How many people actually use all of their PCI slots? I know I havn't used one of my 4 available in my G4 bacause all of the things I need are already built right in to the I/O. (now I've wanted to put in maybe one card or two, but never really needed or wanted more than that) I have an extrnal 120GB HD running off one of my two firewire ports. I have 6 USB slots built in, of which at least one or two are free. for example. I'll admit that with a store-bought mobo you will need all of the slots you can get, but with the apple you already have everything you practically need.
and PCI-X? Yes, I'll admit I never heard of it before the G5 either. but I've done a little research and found that PCI-X runs at 133MHz and 2GBps compared to 33MHz and 266MBps on the PCI standard.

Richie wrote:3 1/2" drive bays:
Average PC - 3
Mac - 2

The g5 mac provides for upto 500GB of internal storage. are you indicating you need more than that?! then get an external drive!

Richie wrote:Why in the wide fucking world would anyone need 8 gigabytes of RAM? PC's may only be able to address 4 gigs, but I have a hard time coming up with any use for that ammount of RAM, short of "storing entire 3D worlds" and gene sequencing. Again, another useless statistic for most people.

Believe it or not Richie there are other uses for a computer out there other than playing games. I'll admit that I will never use that much RAM. and I doubt that any app will be optimized to fully take advantage of that maximum. (btw, I thought the same thing about my comp which has a 2 gig maximum, back when I got it.) But, just to ease your mind and to give you something to think about, lets imagine a scenario.

for reference: The speed of the busses from the serial ATA Hard drives to system controller on the mac is 150MBps. The speed of the RAM buses from the system controller to RAM is 6.4GBps. and the speed from sys controller to the g5 processors is 8GBps per processor. So, here is a hypothetical situation: say the time is january, 2004 and your a professional video editor. Your doing DV video editing one morning in FinalCut Pro 4.5 which has by now been optimized for the G5. (btw, FCP is at version 4.0 now.) You maxed out the RAM when you bought your dream machine last august and your editing a 30sec. commercial from 6Gigs of raw DV footage. With the G5 that 6 gigs could totally be stored and worked with from within RAM. Meaning you wouldn't have to wait for the Hard drive when scrubbing through and editing your clips. The process of cutting, playback, effects, fades, and transitions would all be faster and you would be able to do more effects in real-time (without rendering) because you don't have to read or write data to the hard drives as often. You finish your final render on your project and notice that this commercial has taken you half the time to edit and produce as a similar commercial that you did for another client about a year ago on your old dual G4. So, you complete your project early and call in the client for a final review before outputting your commercial to DVD or tape. Your happy (because you have to rest of the day off to play games or do whatever) and your client is happy. (Meanwhile evilmagicpirate is still waiting for replacement parts after his $3126 dual xeon bargain system cought fire two weeks ago. He can't wait to get back to playing counter-strike 2 and finally beating that last level on doom 3) hehe. sorry, couldn't resist.

Richie wrote:Out of fairness, I will admit that the G5 does indeed have a superior bus system, and I'll also hand it to Apple for offering aluminum cases as standard.

Well, thank you for being fair.

I completely understand this comic now. This thread was like an epiphany. (Not like I didn't get it before... Call it a reminder)

http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=2002-01-09&res=l wrote:

This next one isn't directed at anyone. But, some members of the mac cult tend to embody this

http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=2002-07-12&res=l wrote:

What CAN you do on a G5 that is absolutely impossible on a PC?

You've mentioned Half-Life 2 and several things that are impossible on a Mac. So, the mac can supposedly render a jpg a few seconds faster or whatever. I'm talking tasks that you could absolutely not do on a PC.

I just saw that break posted a rather cynical remark about apple's advertising. Its late and I won't go into a whole long rant about how most of those tests were done first by the independant companies who make the software. They were given G5 test machines to code for and play with. And remember that not all advertising is false advertising. (how do I know that hyper-threading is more than a marketing tool anyway? Its not like I can slice a pentium up and say "uh, huh. yep, there it is! the bright glowing green hyper-threading layer!" So don't be so quick to bash advertising. To give you something to look at, there is an independant company called Veritest that has done some benchmarking on one of apple's machines by itself and it came out with these interesting conclusions.

and the reason why you wont see more stuff outside of apple's advertising is because the G5 won't be in consumer and reviewer's hands until august. You'd better believe that as soon as these things hit the street they'll be plenty of people doing their own benchmarks to see if apple lives up to its claims.

oh, and break, nice cartoons. I really like the one of the guy in a beret. (and, you know, I almost bought a mug exactly like that one he has!) But don't think I'm elitist or snobby. I'm just an ordinary teenager like you. Its just that I have very strong opinions on some things and I hate to see ignorance bantered around as gospel. Thats all.

Four years ago I built a PC with a 500 AMD K6-2. With a large pile of ram, which cost me $60 for 392 meg, I can still run the newest photoshop and many new games. This computer cost me around $500 four years ago and is still quite usable. However, our 2-year-old G4's at school are now useless, as the memory management shits itself everytime I start photoshop. That piece of shit cost 2 grand new. That's my 2 cents.

Nah its cool. None of this is personal. Its all in good fun. I am very skeptical of their advertising. Its like they lock up teenagers and feed them specs until they spit out some stats and stuff.

Although I did think you were some sort of monster plotting revenge against all PC users from some undisclosed location. But, its still cool that your a teenager. Just a little surprising.

The guys at Mac need to pull their heads out of their asses and add a second mouse button. Jesus, not everyone is too stupid to control two buttons with one hand.

I want to right click things in dreamweaver and i can't, because Steve Jobs has his other four fingers in his ass.

BreakmanX wrote:What CAN you do on a G5 that is absolutely impossible on a PC?

You've mentioned Half-Life 2 and several things that are impossible on a Mac. So, the mac can supposedly render a jpg a few seconds faster or whatever. I'm talking tasks that you could absolutely not do on a PC.

proabably nothing. whats your point? The only things "impossible" on a mac are certain games and thats because virtual PC (the best PC emulation macs have) isn't fast enough to run the PC games. Every piece of software I need runs nativly on OS X, and runs well. So what , I can't play all the same games you can. big deal. I really don't care. Thats why I do my gaming on an xbox and my computing on a mac. granted, xbox and microsoft are another topic for another discussion, but the xbox is a great gaming system.

Aaron wrote:The guys at Mac need to pull their heads out of their asses and add a second mouse button. Jesus, not everyone is too stupid to control two buttons with one hand.

Can I get an Amen?

Oh, but Aaron, they have the ability to do genetics! And can have 8 gazillion bytes of RAM!! They do not need two buttons for their holy mac. The second button would only taint its pure exhistance.

My point is that PCs can do things Macs can't, but Macs can't do anything PCs can't.

Aaron wrote:The guys at Mac need to pull their heads out of their asses and add a second mouse button. Jesus, not everyone is too stupid to control two buttons with one hand.

umm, yeah. I'm wondering that one myself. Thats why every mac user goes out and buys at least a generic usb mouse when they buy their mac. (I use a cordless logitech mouseman pro, and except for replacing batteries every so often, it works great. and so do all of its buttons and its scrool wheel.)

Since I mentioned elitism and all...

I should say that I'm not a teenager, I'm 20. Thank you very much.

BreakmanX wrote:My point is that PCs can do things Macs can't, but Macs can't do anything PCs can't.

Do I sense someone grasping for a toe-hold before they go tumbling down into the abyss of acceptance and actually admit that macs are good (if not great) machines?

Nah, no way. that's impossible. True hardcore PC gamers never change. Its all lies and false advertising, isn't it? Actually, the G5 a pile of dog shit and nerve gas waiting to explode from its pretty box on your front door step the day it arrives! Its shipped straight from the moving caravan in the Iraqi desert. Saddam and Osama themselves personally assure it will kill at least one infidel by packing the Serin and anthrax themselves.

BreakmanX wrote:Since I mentioned elitism and all...

I should say that I'm not a teenager, I'm 20. Thank you very much.

and what a handsome, mature 20 year old you are!

haha, just kidding. here is a link to a recent picture of me.

I never said that macs weren't good, I just said their not better than PCs.

Honestly, I don't think either are better. Its all a matter of opinion. Its an argument that cannot be won.