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If halo would have been a mac exclusive, we never would have heard of halo. It would have been this little game that all of the mac users played day in and day out, while all of the pc guys ridiculed them. I think microsoft helped "make" this game as far as popularity is concerned.

-Jack

The Mac is very similar to a gaming console in many ways, except the Mac has a library of only 6 games.. <sarc>which is still only 4 less than the Xbox </sarc>.

In terms of hardware, the Mac and the conosle both offer virtually no hardware upgradability.. Giving both of them a usefull life of about 4-5 years tops. However, a new Mac cost about 10x more than a console.

In terms of operating systems and stability; both on the Mac and on consoles, the OS is made by the same people that designed the hardware, and that hardware is fixed (where as on a PC you could an near infinate number of part combinations). This ofcourse leads to a greater level of optimization and stability; most of the time, you plug it in and it just works.

So, from the above, we can equate that:

• Mac <= Xbox
  Mac is less than or atleast equal to Xbox

(Please keep in mind that this is a flaming forum, so dont take my conclusion too seriously, but feel free to flame me back.)

Yeah, you're right. No one would have played it. I'm just saying Apple has had opportunities to help itself.

Evilmagicpirate wrote:Here Here! It wouldd also be nice to not have to buy a whole new computer everytime I want to upgrade my video card..

Yeah that would be nice. Good thing we don't have to put up with that on Macs either.
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RurouniTrelane wrote:Yeah that would be nice. Good thing we don't have to put up with that on Macs either.

As much as I dislike admiting it, you've got a point. And, out of fairness, I must also admit that I've been able to replace hard drives, RAM, CR-ROM drives on newer Apple's, though they don't possess anywhere the flexability that PC offer when replacing hardware.

That card has 32 MB's of RAM. What are you going to do, play tetris? My card (GeForce3) has 64 MB's, and I've had it since like 2000 or 2001.

They have 64MB cards, I just picked one as a random example.

I was reading some stuff online the other day and some new infomation was brought to light, I feel I have a responsibility to correct myself... The Athlon64 doesnt actually come out until September I now discovered. The Opertron has been out for almost 3 months now - and is primarily a server CPU. The Athlon64 is a desktop CPU, but not yet released.. So yes, Apple are correct in saying that the G5 is the first 64-bit Desktop CPU. So my bad there. Still doesn't change the fact that Apple didn't benchmark the XP3200's or use Hyperthreading on the P4s, etc...

BreakmanX wrote:So, it is outperforming Intel... Did they say anything about comparison's to Intel's new core that will be available soon? Or to AMD's 64 bit CPU?
I say all the power to ya Apple.

They did say that the G5 will be up to 3GHz in 12 months and that the next gen chips (PPC 980 / G6) are already in the prototype stage. So, I think that'll keep them pretty competitive with the rest of the market.

Evilmagicpirate wrote: Here Here! It wouldd also be nice to not have to buy a whole new computer everytime I want to upgrade my video card..

Bull Shi*! there are several video upgrade cards available for any mac made in the last 5 years! just look at the apple store or another on-line apple parts retailer and you'll see that your statement is based on ignorance, not experiance. Apples are just as easy to upgrade as intel machines, you just got to know what hardare your buying. granted, there are more vid-cards made for the PC, but there are still some pretty damn good ones made for the mac too.

Evilmagicpirate wrote:The Mac is very similar to a gaming console in many ways, except the Mac has a library of only 6 games.. <sarc>which is still only 4 less than the Xbox </sarc>.

In terms of hardware, the Mac and the conosle both offer virtually no hardware upgradability.. Giving both of them a usefull life of about 4-5 years tops. However, a new Mac cost about 10x more than a console.

In terms of operating systems and stability; both on the Mac and on consoles, the OS is made by the same people that designed the hardware, and that hardware is fixed (where as on a PC you could an near infinate number of part combinations). This ofcourse leads to a greater level of optimization and stability; most of the time, you plug it in and it just works.

So, from the above, we can equate that:

• Mac <= Xbox
  Mac is less than or atleast equal to Xbox

(Please keep in mind that this is a flaming forum, so dont take my conclusion too seriously, but feel free to flame me back.)

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WTF?! Hello dumbass! *knock* *knock*
First of all the powermacs are VERY upgradeable! all other macs are very expandable as well because of a little magic port called firewire! granted you can't upgrade your video card or processors through firewire, but hard drives, CD/DVD burners, and a lot of essential things use firewire. (digital camcorders, audio hardware, webcams, etc, etc.)

Secondly, the mac isn't a dedicated gaming machine like the xbox is! the capabilities of the average (not to mention high-end) mac are infinitly more valuable than being able to kill your buddies in counter strike or take down the covies in Halo. Granted, the xbox is an awesome gaming system. but that is all that it is! What about your average thousand-dollar PC? did you spend a grand or more (or however much cash you spent) on your PC just to play games? I bet not! and what of the problems you have with hardware incompatibility. I've heard several times on the game show where someone is whining how their fans or MoBo or vid card or powersupply is bunk b/c they thought they were smart and tried to build their own system. DUMBASSES! You always get what you pay for!
Macs have better hardware, helluva lot better OS, best tech-support in the industry, and better re-sale value than Peecees. Keep in mind that a comparable dual athlon or dual xeon system costs over $1000 MORE than the dual G5! (and can the opterion even run current 32 bit programs?) and you can't even get a pentium in a dual configuration. what pieces of shit.

So what if I can't play half-life 2? big frekkin' deal! while you guys are wasting your lives melting your brains, sitting in front of a monitor playing games I'm actually doing something productive with my life! oh, sure... you may be one of the very lucky few who grows up to work for a company like nintendo or bungie or sony's PS division, but chances are you won't!
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(keep in mind that I take all posts way too seriously and since this is a flaming forum i feel the liberty to flame you PC users all I want. Please don't take it too personal. I just accept the fact that you are ignorant and have your priorities out of order. I'm sure all you guys are really nice people, as I am if you were to meet me. I just get riled up over ignorant people bashing macs.)

just one question is Apple a cult?

Ok, I'm willing to pass off most of your post as the rampant, useless flaming that you ment it to be, but there are some points that I cannot let go unanswered.

Apollo wrote:and what of the problems you have with hardware incompatibility. I've heard several times on the game show where someone is whining how their fans or MoBo or vid card or powersupply is bunk b/c they thought they were smart and tried to build their own system. DUMBASSES!

Don't even get me started on incompatability. As much as we may complain about problems with our PC's, I've had many more problems with Mac compatability, hardware and software. Most of this stems from compaines unwilling to produce Mac hardware, as it only occipies 5% of the market. Those that do make hardware usually don't do a very good job of creating/porting drivers, making the hardware useless or extremely buggy.

And when we're complaining on the show about our PC's, its mostly about faulty hardware, not incompatability. Any time you're building something more complicated than a flashlight, you face the possibility of faulty hardware. And even if we do get a bad piece of equipment, the benefit almost always outweighs the irritation. A PC built correctly can match the specs of an OEM computer, be just as (or even more) reliable, and save hundreds of dollars.

and you can't even get a pentium in a dual configuration. what pieces of shit.

Pentium 4 Zeon's are made specifically to be in dual configurations, dumbass.

So what if I can't play half-life 2? big frekkin' deal! while you guys are wasting your lives melting your brains, sitting in front of a monitor playing games I'm actually doing something productive with my life!

Uh huh, and writing a post sitting in front of a monitor dissing PC's is more productive.

EDIT: I, too, get a little riled up when the Mac/PC debate comes up. This is a flaming forum, like you said, so I'm not taking anything in here really seriously, and I hope you do the same.

Apollo wrote:and what of the problems you have with hardware incompatibility. I've heard several times on the game show where someone is whining how their fans or MoBo or vid card or powersupply is bunk b/c they thought they were smart and tried to build their own system. DUMBASSES!

Did that ever happen? I don't remember us ever talking about incompatability. Then again, I've done many shows. So, point it out to me and I will gladly eat those words.

Apollo wrote:and you can't even get a pentium in a dual configuration. what pieces of shit.

As Richie said, yes you can. AMD does some dual stuff too, although its not very common.

I wouldn't say any of us are ignorant on macs. Richie has a lot of experience with macs. Jack used to be a Mac user as well. Richie and I were also our school's tech support, and our school uses 95% Macintosh. I did pretty much the same thing in middle school. So, I have at least 6 years of Mac experience, as well as professional A+ certification in PCs. I don't know who you were calling ignorant, but I don't think we are. We are a Game Show, and we focus on things related to games. Macs suck in that department. Not because of bad hardware, but simply because developers don't develop stuff for it. And when they do it is usually a port of a game that came out awhile ago on the PC. When it comes to gaming, its all about the games, not the platform. And so, yes, I did build my own PC. I've built them for businesses and schools as well. I also have the professional certification to do so.

But, anyway, I'd really like you to tell me where we were talking about incompatability. Because, I want to know what I, or any of us said about it. I'm trying to think of what I've gotten that was incompatable.

Thank you.

A nice documentary on the mac gamer.

http://www.redvsblue.com/appleswitch.shtml