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Dubya wrote:

TryMeOut wrote:Like I said earlier, I can't really play those kinds of games in my house, parents rules and all. Plus I don't know about supporting such violent video games. I mean look what it has done to a lot of our kids. I just don't want to support that action too much...but I might.

It's easy to blaim violent games for the world's problems, but it's just not logical. I play Doom 3, Fable, Halo 2, Grand Theft Auto, etc...., and I never have any desire to reinact such violence in the world of reality. If someone can't distinguish between reality and fiction, then it is there own fault and probably due to the way that they were raised.

Never thought I would say this given the recent religious arguments, but Amen Dubya!

TryMeOut wrote:but mostly rpgs.

So violence is bad because that's what you've been fed by the mass media, but magic, witchcraft, curses, necromancy, the undead, and other such typical rpg fare aren't bad, even though they're forbidden by the Bible? What would your mother think of you playing Icewind Dale or Baldur's Gate? Tsk tsk. Now, listen, take some advice from someone that's played a lot of violent games. Violence and even gore can add and contribute to the game artistically, or it can detract from it. That's the difference between a game like Painkiller and one like Postal. Both are very violent, but one is well made and artistic, and the other is just senseless killing. Don't just bash an entire genre.

Amen brother Realm. A-Fucking-Men.

just do the math! how many people have tried to hurt/kill their friends or siblings because they saw that kind of stuff in video games. versus how many people try to summon Bahamut or stuff like that. i think you'll find that violence from video games is a lot more widespread.

TryMeOut, I played Doom from the time I was twelve, and today I am still a strong Christian. The fact is, people blaim videogames for their violence in order to avoid the consequence of their sin. Well, guess what? I'll bet if we did some sort of study, we would se that the people who are declared inocent because they blaimed games will later end up in jail multiple times through there life. Why am I sure of this? Because I know it was not really the games that were to blaim at all. It was their own sinful nature. And if they do not see any consequences for their actions, then they will never learn their lesson, and they will only repeat crimes throughout their lives.

TryMeOut wrote:just do the math! how many people have tried to hurt/kill their friends or siblings because they saw that kind of stuff in video games. versus how many people try to summon Bahamut or stuff like that. i think you'll find that violence from video games is a lot more widespread.

Ok listen, since you're living at home I'm just going to assume that you had a very sheltered childhood, but let me explain a few things to you. First of all, we've all ranted on these forums about this issue, so this is like the 306th time I've written this. Blaming violent video games for your own actions is retarded. Like Dubya said (nice post btw), most people just don't have the balls to take responsibility for their own actions. Video games make an easy scape-goat. When you say "how many people have tried to hurt people because they saw it in video games" you're obviously making assumptions and generalizations. The reality is very few. Either they're just passing the blame, or they're young kids who should never have been playing those games, in which case the parents are at fault. There's a very easy to use rating system for games and if parents ignore it and let their young children play whatever they feel like then sure, they're taking a risk. But this is what's funny, dude, you're 23. You're a freaken adult, grow some balls. If you're worried about violence affecting you then you're obviously too insecure to handle it.

While mulling that over, may I ask you to read in the Bible Judges chapter 3 verses 12-31 and all of chapter 19. If there are such explicit descriptions of violence in the Bible itself, why on earth should it be immoral in other forms of media? Have you seen the movie Saving Private Ryan? Or Black Hawk Down? The violence in those movies is necessary to tell a story, to make a powerful point. It's used well and artistically, and these movies are a couple of the best ever made in my opinion. But do they make me want to kill people? Of course not.

I think the truth is somewhere between the two opposite views. Extremely violent games can desensitize people to violence somewhat, just like violent movies. This is compounded when the game has no morality, no sense of justice. In GTA you're a bad guy doing bad things and you're having fun doing it. In Half-Life or Halo you're a hero who saves the world. And of course this is further compounded if the person playing it is very young or was not brought up properly. So yes, a kid who plays GTA but who has been brought up right won't go out and jack cars. But then, paradoxically, a kid who was brought up properly has probably never been allowed to, or has never had the desire to, play GTA.

Just my thoughts on the matter.

I was raised in a very strict Christian home, and GTA is the shit. So take that.

I've watched violent movies, and played violent video games since a very early age. I've also never hurt another human being physically. I've wanted to, like everyone else, but was able to easily restrain myself. I believe that violence is an action you perform out of instinct when you've been outsmarted, and can't do anything intelligent.

But, we all have those desires within us that will be expressed one way or another. There are many healthy ways to express them, and I believe art and entertainment are some of the best.

Well all Im saying is that I think that exposing kids and teens to violent games makes them more likely to be desensitized to violence, and more likely to commit acts of violence. Of course if they had good parental figures there for perspective and stuff, that'd fix most of it, but so much violence around makes it commonplace.

Well I was talking mostly about kids, if you noticed.

And you can be raised in a strict christian home and still turn out to be a real sicko, as Realm so aptly demonstrates.

(Kidding... mostly. )

First off, realm is in no way a sicko. Yes, he may strongly dislike someone, but that doesn't mean he will shoot them. It is actually quite easy to distinguish life and reality even with the all the world's "desensitized-ness" and stuff. Yes, the world is not a great place, but can you really blame that all on video games? I mean common, when CNN shows freakin' buses blowing up in the Middle East, are video games really our problem? Yes, video games are not bunnies running threw fields, but not all of them are just careless shooting. GTA would be an acception. But, in others, the shooting takes place in a mission or some sort of restricted environment that it makes it hard to be so ruthless.

Really, video games aren't that bad. There are much worse things around us.

Also, that first picture looked like crap, and I did not laugh at all. My life has forever changed on your view of "hummor".

I'm so tired of this argument. What kids do outside of their gaming life is REAL. Only poor, stupid, mindless, retarded, and goat raping fucks would actually do an act of murder and think that they could get away with it, because they blamed it on a game. They have NO chance in hell of getting away with it, and violent games are not going away. This country is free, and MOST people who play Halo 2 these days are NOT killing anyone.

So, TryMeOut, if YOU AREN'T GOING TO KILL ANYONE IN REAL LIFE FROM PLAYING A VIOLENT GAME, THEN PLAY VIOLENT GAMES!! If you don't play them for your reasoning, it makes me feel like you think you WOULD kill someone from playing an "M" game. That's not the games fault, that's your lack of will power.

I'm so sorry your life has forever changed on my view of "hummor".

I didn't laugh when I saw your stupid picture, but I did seem to find something funny in your last post.

I'm so sorry your life has forever changed on my view of "hummor".

I found it humorous to find that you didn't spell humor right. It usually could be something blown off with the excuse of a error in your typing, but when you were explaining something else that wasn't funny, it became extremely ironic when you spelled humor wrong. Thanks!