Did you know SNES had good games?

[Verence]

Meaningless arguments are boring.

This thread is now about Street Sharks.



Jawsome!

[Vamp [Bot]]

I'm using the term "generation" as an abstraction; I'm also not really surfing on a web right now, but it still has become a common term despite that.

[Discordia]

Fuck that shit, air is over-rated. Stop breathing. Now.

Also the ground, I'd much prefer to fly. By flapping my arms.

Gaming is an art-form and therefore whether or not you appreciate a system or an individual game is largely subjective and based on individual levels of enjoyment. I personally disapprove of statements about one thing or another being 'overrated' since it doesn't really say anything useful or constructive on the subject and has, in recent years, often been used to discredit something without providing any real justification. It is therefore a very provocative thing to say.

I see Vamp's reasoning on defining generations by power but I'm pretty certain that this will always be broadly defined by time of release regardless of his own preference in the matter. I think of it like 'babies' being born, some will grow old with us and some will fall along the way, but they were still all from the same generation regardless of how long they last.

Anyway, since nobody reads my posts (because they're boring and largely meaningless), I'll just add that it's long been my suspicion that you're all secretly Martians plotting the distruction of the Earth and I want you to know that I'm on to you.

[RurouniQ]

Fuck! Oh well. I've already implanted my alien seed in you you have no chance to survive make your time. Ha Ha Ha Ha...

Incidentally, I did make certain that the monster list of games I posted was free of any I had "retro-goggles" over, that they were still just as fun to me now as they were back then.

[Jbrown]

I read them, b/c you're the only person on BMX I don't know rather well.

[Jbrown]

Fuck! Oh well. I've already implanted my alien seed in you you have no chance to survive make your time. Ha Ha Ha Ha...

Incidentally, I did make certain that the monster list of games I posted was free of any I had "retro-goggles" over, that they were still just as fun to me now as they were back then.

That's just way way too Pg-13 for this forum. Seeds and all.

[Vamp [Bot]]

I think of it like 'babies' being born, some will grow old with us and some will fall along the way, but they were still all from the same generation regardless of how long they last.

Let's return to the case of the Dreamcast; the console stuck between generations. What generation would you define someone being born in 1962, one year before JFK's assassination (a typical to define end the baby boom)? Some would argue that because they are before that time, they are therefore a boomer. Others would say they did not experience the national response to the assassination, and are therefore part of the succeeding generation. The problem is it's all just fluff, and there's no objective way to define such a person's "generation". These generations also don't really matter; they're just a broad, arbitrary definition. That's why I define consoles by their limitations.

[RurouniQ]

It's all broad, grey guidelines. Nothing is set in stone, but there are generally accepted conventions held by the industry and anyone who strays from these conventions should understand or at least expect that their opinions will be met with unacceptance and perhaps even derision by the industry at large.

That being said...

[Mericks]

I think of it like 'babies' being born, some will grow old with us and some will fall along the way, but they were still all from the same generation regardless of how long they last.

Let's return to the case of the Dreamcast; the console stuck between generations. What generation would you define someone being born in 1962, one year before JFK's assassination (a typical to define end the baby boom)? Some would argue that because they are before that time, they are therefore a boomer. Others would say they did not experience the national response to the assassination, and are therefore part of the succeeding generation. The problem is it's all just fluff, and there's no objective way to define such a person's "generation". These generations also don't really matter; they're just a broad, arbitrary definition. That's why I define consoles by their limitations.

When you define consoles by limitations, you're defining them by something OTHER than generation. A generation is NOT based on power. It's based on time. You're callling something completely different than a generation, a generation.

You just admitted that your "generation" definition is based on limits. You're talking about limitations when you're discussing power, and yes, it is better to group systems that way. In that sense, it's STILL inappropriate to group the Wii with last-gen systems, as the Wii should get a group between the 2 generations in the sense of power. A group all to itself. Generations are merely used to define when the system was released. That's it.

It's not a matter of opinion. Generations =/= limitations. That's just a flat out fact based on the definition of the word. Vamp is trying to change the definition of a word that already exists and make that definition match the definition of another word that exists already as well.

[Vamp [Bot]]

Wii and Xbox are about equivalent in terms of capability. One has a better processor and a bit more RAM, the other a better graphics card.

[Typheus]

Yes, but can you use a Wiimote on an Xbox? Fuck no.

[Mericks]

Wii and Xbox are about equivalent in terms of capability. One has a better processor and a bit more RAM, the other a better graphics card.

I think Vamp took the term "souped up Xbox with a remote" and removed the "souped up" part...The guys at ign had articles that frequently updated with more information on the Wii's hardware until it finally clocked out at 2 to 3 times more powerful than the Gamecube was...according to their articles, as well as a few articles posted on gonintendo, and I don't remember if I checked Kotaku for that back then or not. I won't stick to that one so much. Point is, it's more powerful than the last-gen systems, but Nintendo decided not to make it THAT much more powerful.

[Vamp [Bot]]

Dude, simply doubling the CPU clock speed and RAM doesn't mean it'll look twice as good, nor does it mean it even holds a candle to the capability of PS3 or a high-end PC. I've seen the specs, as posted by the hackers at the WiiLi project, and we're talking baby-steps in terms of advancement, not a "generational leap" here.

Typh: USB bluetooth + USB port in xbox (I have one) + appropriate drivers (Xbox Linux for instance) = yes, you could. Still, I'd rather use 2 joysticks and an actually decent number of buttons than motion controls.

[Mericks]

Dude, simply doubling the CPU clock speed and RAM doesn't mean it'll look twice as good, nor does it mean it even holds a candle to the capability of PS3 or a high-end PC. I've seen the specs, as posted by the hackers at the WiiLi project, and we're talking baby-steps in terms of advancement, not a "generational leap" here.

Typh: USB bluetooth + USB port in xbox (I have one) + appropriate drivers (Xbox Linux for instance) = yes, you could. Still, I'd rather use 2 joysticks and an actually decent number of buttons than motion controls.

I've already acknowledged it hasn't leaped as far as the other consoles this-gen. WHY the fuck did you even bother mentioning that?

And if you prefer the analog sticks over the motion controls something's wrong with you. You're WANTING to stay in the past when you're talking arguing that the Wii is sticking back there, despite being the highest selling console that is now setting a trend for motion control, which has been implemented really well contrary to original expectations. And there's a perfectly reasonable number of buttons. The only time I've felt like anything was crammed onto the controller because they didn't have enough space for the controls was the Wiimote-only option for Smash Bros...And that's not even that bad still. It actually works fairly well once you get used to it...Granted I messed with the controls so I could use all 4 directions on the D-pad with my taunt button easier.

EDIT: Also, Vamp, the thing you didn't count into your little deal with the Xbox using a Wiimote is the fact that it's A LOT of work to use a controller with games that weren't made for it, thus the result would end up being extremely horrible, difficult gameplay due to terrible controls, as you'd need to go through and reprogram all the buttons and whatnot and figure out what works where and which games you should alter the controls so it feels better, etc.

In the end, the Wiimote on the Xbox is a god awful idea...especially since the Xbox was a home console that was constructed with PC parts which was just a bad idea to begin with.

[Muteki]

......... I just realized something........

Red ring of death
Blue screen of death

Why do they sound so fucking similar? Oh wait, I see why, it's Microsoft...